Earthmeasured, believe it or not, what is wrong in your thinking is that you imagine that the Bible is God's inerrant word.
From a scientific point of view this premise is as useless as a lead balloon.
Wake up and get with it man!
Half banana
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Flat Earth Jw and Galileo Galilei
by Earthmeasured inin the image you can see what jw wrote about how galileo was treated by the catholic church.
now they are disfelloshipping me because i believe the earth is flat.
is this coherent?.
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PIMO GB members?
by Half banana inthe gb individuals are chosen not by holy spirit as we well know but by being selected for one quality only, that of implaccable loyalty to the watchtower organisation.. to be up there requires the fixation that the org is being used by god -- even though now in the small print they claim they are not divinely guided -- what a laugh, what a puzzle?.
the more i watch their antics the more implausible they seem.
their function: to persuade as many people as possible to conform to their own whacky beliefs.. most jws eventually leave the fold, only one third remain as we understand, so will any of the gb become pimo?.
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I tend to agree that it is unlikely for a GB member to leave even if he wakes up and becomes PIMO. The disadvantages for a GB member to actually leave the org and become an outcast and vilified, would outweigh the social benefits i.e. remaining a pampered demigod albeit mentally out.
The big wigs in any operation or scheme or organisation religious or secular, if their heart isn't in it, become just actors who capably play their roles and perform as they are expected and are rewarded accordingly. This too can happen at JW HQ. Many Bethelites know things are seriously wrong in the JW world.
This situation demonstrates that the only GB member with the courage and honesty to act in accord with his conscience was Ray Franz. What a shining beacon of integrity that man really was!
The GB just like the organisation they control, is becoming hollow, just yielding the outward appearances of what they pretend they are doing, preaching salvation to the world. The world population is now growing faster than they are and the message is increasingly less interesting, less credible, less desirable, less valuable.
In time the appearance of conviction and "God's blessing" will diminish in the JW org but power hungry JWs will always want to be lording it over the humble sheep so GB members will probably hold on to the bitter end railing against Satan's world and getting the plaudits from the remaining faithful.
The flock have to live with cognitive dissonance, it keeps them dependant--then why not the leaders? Possibly because narcissists don't actually care about other people.
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Sir Isaac Newton
by I Faded Twice inwasn't it isaac newton that calculated the date that the end would be?
it was like 2062 i think.
anyways why doesnt the gb adopt isaac newton say the end is coming in 2062 and then if it fails to come blame it on him?
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Half banana
@Waton, I wasn't suggesting for a moment that there are geniuses of religion, just that religion was not Newton's specialism, being more akin to a hobby, like his interest in alchemy. He had cracked gravity, so he gave Biblical prophecy and making gold from base metal the object of his brilliant mind as well.
It would though be interesting to consider what a genius of religion would look like!
The candidate would have to be able to pull out of thin air ideas which have no evidential basis but have an aura of the sacred about them and then by using these, manipulate the minds and hearts of his audience to financially reward him for his unsupportable promises and deceptions. TV evangelists perhaps?
We could put forward Fred Franz, not motivated by wealth but for the whole of his long lifetime he communicated his utter conviction of Biblical certainty yet proved eventually to be totally wrong. How many did he influence: say twenty million JWs over sixty years? Genius? More of a fixated, narcissistic fanatic I think.
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PIMO GB members?
by Half banana inthe gb individuals are chosen not by holy spirit as we well know but by being selected for one quality only, that of implaccable loyalty to the watchtower organisation.. to be up there requires the fixation that the org is being used by god -- even though now in the small print they claim they are not divinely guided -- what a laugh, what a puzzle?.
the more i watch their antics the more implausible they seem.
their function: to persuade as many people as possible to conform to their own whacky beliefs.. most jws eventually leave the fold, only one third remain as we understand, so will any of the gb become pimo?.
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Half banana
The GB individuals are chosen not by holy spirit as we well know but by being selected for one quality only, that of implaccable loyalty to the Watchtower organisation.
To be up there requires the fixation that the org is being used by God -- even though now in the small print they claim they are not divinely guided -- what a laugh, what a puzzle?
The more I watch their antics the more implausible they seem. Their function: to persuade as many people as possible to conform to their own whacky beliefs.
Most JWs eventually leave the fold, only one third remain as we understand, so will any of the GB become PIMO?
As the wind goes out of the sails of the JW org, will some GB members wake up? Or have they already? What would be the effect if one were to leave now?
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''Special Letter'' to be Read In Canada Week of Feb 3,2019
by Beth Sarim ini have just been informed that there is a 'special letter' to be read at the meetings week of feb 3,2019 in canada.
anybody heard of this!!
just a heads-up!
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Half banana
Synonyms for "special"
exceptional, particular, unusual, marked, singular, uncommon, notable, noteworthy, remarkable, outstanding, unique
That'll be the day when JW HQ actually says something special, such as "the governing body have decided to close all Kingdom Halls".
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WT about child abuse
by Gorbatchov infriends,.
there is something realy wrong if you have to tell your church members what to report to who when child abuse happens.. g..
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Half banana
Absolutely right Gorby! It just goes to show what irrational demands the governing body make for their flock. It also shows that THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT CHILD WELFARE, above all things they care only for their public reputation.
Jehovah's Witnesses are a sick cult
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Who will be resurrected? The righteous and the unrighteous
by RULES & REGULATIONS inchapter seven.
there will be a resurrection.
17 who will be resurrected?
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@DellaStreet, screwed they are!
One of the reasons that the Roman elite disliked Christians was that they were gullible. Roman piety was one of respect for the gods and not a literalist belief in the stories about them.
Christians or believers in the Christ story hit a new low in credulity by telling people that their hero character had recently been there living among them, living the life of a traditional god-man who was crucified and was brought back to life again. The authorities thought these monotheist christ-cultists were cretins (an appropriate word drawn from the French for christian) because they took the traditional tales to be literally true, how bizarre!
Funny how after 105 billion human births and deaths that no one person has ever come back to life--and nobody quote the Bible because it is a fairy tale. And........ Dr Frankenstein had a go at resurrection with disastrous results! Yet Mary Shelly, through her tale was able to illuminate powerfully just what humanity means through the fictional "creature". This is how written stories can enrich our minds-- but don't start saying they really happened.
If a person believes in Adam and Eve, the Flood or resurrection as being true, then you have a barrier to thinking clearly, so please stop and consider why you demean your intelligence to want to believe these fictions.
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Daily Text - 1/30/19
by Jidders inthe love of the greater number will grow cold.—matt.
24:12. i read the daily text today, thoughts on a scripture that does seem to be somewhat fulfilled with the increase in atheism and alternative religions?
it had definitely been going on back then but is it a general assumption?.
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Half banana
When you read the Gospels Jidders you have to remember that the words were intended for one of the many Christ cults of the first century and were relevant to keeping them loyal supporters to stay 'within the compound'. That is why the language of Jesus' warnings often seem relevant to modern Bible cults like JWs and other doomsday watchers.
On the other hand the end never did arrive in the first century as Jesus promised (black mark for JC) and the signs only fully made sense in his day. Like "they will flog you in the synagogues" as it says in the oldest and original Gospel Mark, and "let those in Judea run to the hills...."
Is it reasonable to pick out only those bits which possibly could make sense today and ignore the rest?
The JW org select from the Bible what is useful for their purpose in keeping the flock blinkered and under their tight control. "The love of the greater number" when analysed, is pretty broad and meaningless outside of cultic interpretation. The evidence is that most people today in developed lands are far more caring and socially aware and responsible than at any time in human history.
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Hungry?? Don’t worry- I’ll feed you soon....
by stuckinarut2 inhow often have we heard jws (and christians in general) speak about how “god will step in soon and fix earths woes”.
a thought came to mind that i would love to calmly say to the person that says we should “wait on god”.
if your child looks up at you with big eyes, and a pained look on his face and says “daddy, i’m so hungry.
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Half banana
Xanthippe, from your trinity of God, Jesus and the tooth fairy, ignore the first two because the tooth fairy is the only one which comes up with the goods.
But your point is right, there is no supercharged god-like father figure who will sort things out. This is the primary fallacy of religion and invites comparison with holding the naive mentality and viewpoint of a helpless child.
Religious belief infantilises people-- and that's exactly how cult leaders want their flocks to remain.
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Sir Isaac Newton
by I Faded Twice inwasn't it isaac newton that calculated the date that the end would be?
it was like 2062 i think.
anyways why doesnt the gb adopt isaac newton say the end is coming in 2062 and then if it fails to come blame it on him?
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Half banana
This is JW talk not ex-JW talk. The world will not be ending, just each of our lives, so don't waste them on pointless speculation. Newton was a genius at physics but not religion.